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Strippers Into Housewives?

12.19.2009

A friend of mine who works in the same strip club as me, wanted advice on something that is oh so common within the "dating" realm of strip.

A guy whom she is dating really likes her. Met her in the strip club. But now, wants her to stop dancing. Get a regular job, take out the weave and be a square. Now, she is stuck between a rock and a hard place because he is asking her to give up her bread and butter and settle for stale crackers. In other words, the kind of money we see, she won't see in some mall job that he expects her to pick up instead of dancing. And learning a trade to get a job that pays more money, requires money to attend which he doesn't want to invest in. The very place he met this beautiful woman, he wants to take her way from, which is admirable, but not easy. If she is doing fine on her own, and you want to release her form a job with so much scrutiny, then expect to help out. Not to mention, he tells her he will continue to go to the strip club and patronize the industry after she has left. But if you really want to be with a someone who is in a financial cul-de-sac ..wouldn't you help them, rather than just dictate to them?


Riddle me this, gentlemen, while you are trying to make a stripper into a proper lady via social standards, are you going to support the accustomed lifestyle we have? Or are you just going to go ahead and make these demands, looking down on us from your ivory tower? The heart does not contradict itself. If you l-ve someone, or even deeply care for them, you won't judge them. So if you really like a girl, and she is a stripper, you can't ALL OF A SUDDEN become judgemental of where you found her. Especially if you say you will continue to go, even whens she is no longer dancing. Also, the whole, take your weave out, look like a square, and "I'm not funding your already existing handbag fetish." is a little ridiculous. The fact that this guys is trying to change her into something all shiny and new is taking away from who she is. The money he spends on her in the club alone, could by a couple handbags, so you're telling me, the buck stops here? You can spend thousands of dollars on a stripper in the club, but you can not spend it on her outside of the club to help her reform from strip? I'm confused. Just because she doesn't have weave doesn't mean she isn't a stripper. Just because she doesn't have a Gucci handbag doesn't mean she isn't a stripper. So why are these few things weighed so heavy in a conditional agreement as to whether you can take a girl in the club serious or not? Since when does my 20 inch weave and handbag dictate what I do for a living? Especially when I see the same breed of female come into my club, as a customer, not a dancer, having the same "stripper" look.

Bottom line, you can't make a women who you would like to be with a "project stripper" unless you are willing to fund the change. A women shouldn't have to go without in order for you to feel comfortable that she doesn't look like the very person you fell for. And to add insult to injury, you ask her to leave the club and become a square, while you stay in the club, as a customer, spend thousands on some one else, while she struggles to maintain your comfort zone. Oh, and he is likely to run into another project stripper who will inevitably just replace the last girl he has tried to "better". Its a vicious cycle of confusion and insecurity, on the man's part.

Now, lets assume he does fund her. Let's say that he offers to help her out financially if she gets a regular job, so that she can still have the income she had when she was in strip. Now you have given a man financial control. Which is really not the kind of power you want to give any man, when its a "need" type situation. It's cool to have a man court you, buy you things and take you out. But, if the money he is providing is for rent, bills and to eat, you're now giving him the authority to spoon feed you. What happens when you argue? Or he has a bad day, or he has a freak lapse into your past as a stripper? Now you have to kiss his ass to get you bills paid. And he will sit and relish in the stroking of his ego, that you will do, to get your needs met.

Catch 22.

Ok, moral of the story, you can turn a stripper into a house wife. In my opinion. But, you can't do that by changing her or controlling her. You can only do that by l-ving her for who she is, not for what her choice of occupation or handbag she carries. L-ve is blind and without judgement. If it's the real thing, you will find a way for both of you, without giving up what it is that initiated that spark. If you start to like a women, who is a stripper, your best bet is to walk away, unless you can control your ego. Women who dance are entitled to a fair chance. Which brings us back to the Cost VS Worth scenario.

Is the cost of dating a stripper, worth losing to the left side of your brain?

29 thought(s)..:

LBbanks December 19, 2009 5:26 PM  

i like that entry. and as a man, my answer is no. it isnt worth it,youll end up stressing out over the situation. i think there are cetain men out there who are made to date strippers.lol and everyone isnt ready for that type of situation. but you cant control who you love,at the end of the day its going to be up to you to love that woman for who she is,and accept the things you cannot change. changing her would only make you love her for the things you changed. instead of her real attributes and personality.

E Dot DizZy December 19, 2009 5:32 PM  

Always wanted to know what that was like. Me personally I don't think id stop my girl if she was a stripper. That's a damn good job! I get a kick out of having a girl guys lust after anyway. Makes it more exciting. Don't judge me! Insecurities and foolish pride will keep folks from realizing what's really important in a relationship. Nice post homie.

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Lyrik Marie December 19, 2009 6:58 PM  

In reference to your friend, who this post was based on, she's better off dating someone who will accept her for who she is.. Cause you best believe when she becomes the boring broad working at Target .. He's still gonna be at Magic City every Monday throwing dollar bills at some next female who he attempts to "better" ..


Good post Brook !!!

Anonymous December 19, 2009 7:00 PM  

Dude wants her to give up the dancing because he is insecure and he is using the feelings she has for him to manipulate her into leaving the club. I dated a woman who danced and one of the things I realized was that this is her hustle and although we met here,and I certainly appreciated that, this club and this environment is not who she is.

I knew that if I was to ever ask her to stop I would have to pick up the slack and maintain the lifestyle she was use to, so I did not say anthing even when I got the baby how do you feel about this, I said baby its your hustle just come home to me. I was not ready to replace the money she made which was a lot of money.
She made more money in one night than I did in one week but our connection was not about all of that. I treated her like a lady. I paid for dates etc. I did not see the stripper when I took her out. As a matter of fact, I stopped going to the club. I decided that I had to trust her and is it not hypocrisy to want her to quit something you met her doing? I think the guy is insecure and in my opinion its an attempt to control her. Yeah, the idea of your woman dancing naked in front of dudes would be hard for any man to deal with and you sit there all night thinking about the customers and what is she doing and wondering if she is in that VIP room bouncing those fake beautiful double d's you love on somebody ele's lips. Damn it's enough to keep you up at night.

It requires maturity and trust to date a stripper. It requires you to take off the self righteous act and seperate the woman you fell in love with from the one you saw on the pole. If you dont want her to do it, step your game up and take care of her, if not, then shut the hell up until you can do better. I couldn't date a porn star (nasty) but a stripper who is getting her hustle on and has a vision beyong the pole, hell yeah. I could be the best boyfriend in the world. The woman I dated had class and ambition. She didn't judge me and I certainly didn't judge her. I miss her soooo much. Dude needs to grow up.

lana December 19, 2009 8:09 PM  

It takes a confident,selfless man to wife a stripper.And unfortunately most of the ones that say they could do it,aren't in that situation so it's easy for them to say that.But I have to wonder how many of them could actually do it if the opportunity were presented to them.What most men who gets with a stripper needs to understand is the fact that even if she leaves her past behind,and becomes Susie homemaker,there will always be a reminder of what was.And the insecure man will be too weak to deal with realty.These men just need to stop living in a fantasy world.But the men that knows who they are and knows where they stand with their girl will shrug it off and keep it moving.That I respect.

Zena December 19, 2009 8:17 PM  

Waiting on more comments from some gentlemen.

Omar December 19, 2009 8:33 PM  

First thing I would like to say, it depends on the woman. I've found great women in some odd places. We all have past and assuming she isn't batshit crazy (or comes from a family that is), a former hooker or drug addict/alcoholic why not gave ol girl a chance. Would my dream girl/wife be a stripper, probably not but I'm not going to dismiss her because of that.


I try to stick up for men all over but this guy sounds like a lame. I get you don't want other niggas touching and staring at your naked lady like a pack of hungry tig...wolves but controlling a chick is an automatic loss. I know some broads don't know when to shut it but I don't see the attraction in a submissive or controlled woman. Take her for what she is. Chances are she will come to hate you if you force her to make premature changes. Let her do her thing and over time she'll come around if it's real. That's where the hoe returns after To make matters worse, you aren't going to fund that change. I know cats don't want to be simps but if you're going suggest shit at least pay for shit or leave it alone. As Cam would say "shit's disgusting." He fell for the fantasy, he wants that fantasy to be his reality, when he comes to terms with this, he'll (and possibly her) realize that he loves the fantasy not the person, like you said he'll just find another dancer after he grows tired of the square broad he crafted. Don't even get me started on going to the clubs after you've asked her to stop. Man up fam!!





To Brook and everyone who views and comments, Happy Holidays and have a great 2010.

Bombchell December 19, 2009 11:30 PM  

at first I was like ok interesting, then u said weave >_<!! WTF it doesnt matter if she's a stripper or not that shit would be a deal breaker for 85% of the black chicks I know.

so true! if she does quit, and he helps her out she'll might become dependent on him. But then again, long term what does she plan to do, if she's planning to be a housewive she'll be heavenly blessed if after 4 kids her body is still perfect. so when he visits the club, is she allowed to come with him?

Bombchell December 19, 2009 11:31 PM  

& honestly if my man was a chipendales dancer it'll def bug my family way more than itll bug me, but i think men have less of a stigma

JohnnyS December 19, 2009 11:55 PM  

Your friend must really be in love with this character, just the idea that she is even considering conforming to him is shocking to me. Not wanting her to strip i can PARTIALLY understand. But like you said, only if he can support her life style and MORE. And judging from the amount of money strippers at magic city make, he'd have to be a rapper or ball player. lol. And is he not offering her marriage? I mean relationships come and go? Are they even engaged? He needs to offer her some kind of "stability" if he wants her to give up her very well paying job.

One of the things that blew me for a loop was the "weave" thing. Seriously? its 2009. If you think strippers are the only girls that wear weave he must not get out. I personally, don't know many girls who DON'T wear weave. Even 12inch to make it look real. Still weave.

The bottom line is, dude seems real insecure. Extremely.

Anonymous December 20, 2009 6:55 AM  

This man is a joke. Homegirl is just as weak and insecure as he is if she leaves the club. Asking someone to leave their job and settle for something less is sick. Maybe he is intimidated by the amount of money and attention he gets. Oh well get over it. I hope she isnt considering this. He even had the audacity to tell her he will continue to go to the club.WOWZERS.

This manboy is petty. He wants her to leave her job, take out her weave, and God knows what else. This womans job and weave dont define her.

Seems as if this weirdo is trying to set her up to fall right on her face.

Meka Monroe December 20, 2009 10:52 AM  

Honestly, this is a problem that women not in the stripping world face as well. Alot of men admire flyy females...their extraordinary beauty, their style, confidence, and blunt attitudes. HOWEVER, when they get this phenomenal woman they become insecure...its why your jeans so tight, why you have to have a weave, damn is louie v. going out of business???

You get a bunch of bullshit for being the EXACT person you were when you first met this f*cker. I know TOO many bad b*tches that have changed for a guy...took the weave out or cut their hair, started to dress more 'conservative' and put on major weight due to him basically force feeding her azz bcuz he doesn't like them skinny girls (while he purchases magazines like SMOOTH or KING then drools over chicks with a 25 inch waist and a perfect azz).

Its all bullsh*t and women are taught to love a man regardless of how he looks or what he professionally does. Alot of females put up with sh*t and change themselves JUST to say '...I gotta man at home.' What some females don't realize is a man asking you change even minor things in your life is a HUGE red flag. Some of these men are controlling and abusers in the worst way...1st its changing your hair, then its your wardrobe and if you do what he says about changing your profession you might as well get a tattoo on your forehead saying 'I'm So-So's B*tch'. This man literally runs you now...and bcuz you've changed everything in your life for him, TRUST, he definitely knows he has you under lock and key.

Best of luck to your friend...I hope she makes the right decision for herself and her future.

Mista Jaycee December 20, 2009 12:58 PM  

I've known a few Ladies who stripped. First, the trade off is you are entering a committed relationship that can/will lead to the next level. Marriage! Is this Guy worthy or worth it?

Second, Gravity will have its way with you and you will give up stripping anyway or it will be givin up for you!

Last, As an entreprenuer the stripper knows how to make money off of her greatest asset which is HER! Not just her Body! She will be fine.

Hmmmm! I gave up my life as a Dancer and got married! Oh, how sad! Never gonna happen! Marriage is great! Find the right person worthy of you! Then you will find out how great! It ain't for punks though!

jetara December 21, 2009 2:56 AM  

I think so many women go through this. Not just strippers but even women who have the "legit job" deals with this. You may have a woman who works on wallstreet and meets someone and he asks her to dumb down or not to take that higher position at the firm or wherever. He may wife her and then want her to stay home and produce babies so he can feel more like the man. Especially if he makes less than her. He's insecure because she is actually successful.

Yes they all say they want smart, beautiful, successful women but only a few can handle it. Regardless of the job only a few can handle her being able to do for herself. So basically some men like to take strong women and make them weak. Not all want to put up with a woman who don't financially need them.

Your friend should evaluate this so called relationship, b/c regardless of how he feels about the job he should be grateful that she has one. He met her there so I see no big deal. She need to dump him for saying he will keep going even when she quits but I guess he like "projects". But it's such a double standard b/c if you don't want to see your girl stripping then why would you want to see others doing it?

I wish men had to go through this from time to time. Sheesh ninjas can be butt ugly, broke, fat and stupid and still expect to be treated as Kings. No one asks them to change or give up themselves yet they expect so many women to do so.

I hope your friend figures out what to do. If she quit the job I hope he can afford her lifestyle.

Bonita Applebum December 21, 2009 9:44 AM  

Everyone basically said everything i wanted to say this dude is a lame, pathetic and it does seem controlling. I really hope your friend realizes that and moves forward with herself and her career, all these stipulations and i didnt here shit about him putting a ring on it or even suggesting some type of stability,she should cut her losses and move on, nigga want to pay for the next bitch but want her to dumb down her lifestyle...chile! He ALL FUCKED UP!

O'Neil Self December 21, 2009 2:26 PM  

Quite interesting...

Janelle December 21, 2009 10:38 PM  

This has been an age old saga that i have asked friends for years and i like how you break this down! Dude needs to kick rocks and your friends needs to find somebody that will accept her in all her stripper glory! Just like in any other instance, she shouldn't settle for a man who is trying to recreate her into something that isn't even what initially attracted him to her! Even if she did give up strip, it should be by her own choice. It's all about control.. and giving him that much going in doesn't seem like such a bright outlook for the rest of the relationship.

Hope she makes/MADE the right choice... and thanks Brook for this one! I absolutely adore your outlook and perspective!

Anonymous December 21, 2009 11:39 PM  

WTF is dude with her for if he's trying to change her,Slim can go out here and find plenty of women to his liking,seem to me dude in love with the thought instead of the actual being of the said person and your homegirl too,if she really considering his alternative agenda unless she ready to change for self!
Fuck what they say cant change a lady,hoe or a stripper into a housewife if she aint ready or willing to do so.

ljsrmissy December 22, 2009 3:50 PM  

your gal pal needs to drop dude fast quick and in a hurry cuz what he kicking dont even sound right and she a fool if she go with it.

LexyB December 22, 2009 10:06 PM  

"Also, the whole, take your weave out, look like a square" lmao... Brook you are a mess!!!

one thing I have to say is that this also applies to
ordinary women. Meeting a man in the club atmosphere
and he wanting you to give up your social life while he
still goes out etc

You have to take people for face value. So many people
think they are ready for a grown relationship when all kinds
of expectations are flying around in the air and never get
cleared.



I respect women who dance and their hustle and as a
man you have to have big balls to accept her life.
Everyone needs to stop lying, looking in the mirror and
stop pretending who they are.

He has found a gorgous woman that he 'think' he cares
about when in reality he probably want to tell his friends
"I got this chick out the club, I reformed her and now
she is my slave (or whatever)."

He isn't thinking about her. Has he even took her on a
date outside of the club?

Paradox Vixen December 23, 2009 3:28 AM  

First I must say that I absolutely love Brook's entire blog and I hate that I didn't discover and subscribe a lot earlier. However I particularly love this post because it addresses something that happens so often. What I think the dancer/stripper and the potential mate must figure first is that removing the dancer/stripper from her current occupation may or may NOT be exactly "better" for her. One thing I noticed about most of Brook's posts is that independent thinking and maintenence of one's own self idenity is encouraged. If that dancer/stripper is currently using her income to prepare for something else later while currently living independently then the choice to call it quits needs to be on her own terms. The bottomline is that a lot of men often ask for things that they ARE NOT willing to or prepared to compensate for. So unless the man asking is prepared to compensate equivalent or better and the two have come to an agreement on mutual terms then it is crazy for the man to make such a requests and the woman to even consider it. But as stated by Brook it all does go back to Cost vs Worth and risks are ALWAYS involved. NO major life decision should be made without thorough evaluation of Cost vs Worth and again it YOUR Life decisions should ALWAYS be YOURS. If someone Really wants to be with you then they will accept you as you are.

Anonymous December 26, 2009 6:09 PM  

i swear your blogs motivated me. i cant wait for your book! u hold alot of power sister.

Allie Wellington December 26, 2009 10:38 PM  

Very interesting post. I think the same thing happens in simplier forms. Like woman who dresses sexy and a man who is dating her tries to change her into a school marm. Now the sexy dress or make-up is what drew that man to you but then when he gets you he has an issue w/ you wearing tight pants, short skirts,weave and make-up. (speaking from experience here) My mother always told me to "never let a man change you b/c you will end up not being happy and he will end up leaving you for someone who is what you used to be."

Women are guilty of trying to change men too though. Like Brooky said walk away if you can't control your ego. You know what you can and can't handle.

Anonymous December 28, 2009 4:12 AM  

I think Kanye and Amber are the new model for this scenario. if dude can't support you with a lifestyle you're used to or better AND help you get a new career going, he can kick rocks. anything else would be uncivilized...

@LuvLiz December 31, 2009 12:32 PM  

Great Entry.

LEO January 3, 2010 2:36 PM  

I DONT EVEN GOTTA FINISH READING TO GIVE THE FOLLOWING ADVICE... TELL YOUR GIRL NOT TO LEAVE HER JOB IF ITS NOT SOMETHING SHEEEEE WANTS TO DO..FUCK THAT..HE MET HER THERE SO HE IS FUCKING CRAZY TO ASK HER TO STOP NOW JUST CUZ HE FEELING HER...FUCKKKK OUTTTA HERE..
MEN ARE SO SEE THROUGH SOMETIMES.. ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS CONTROL HER AND HAVE ONE UP ON HER..GARANTEE EVEN IF SHE WAS TO STOP FOR HIM, HE WOULD NOT MISS A CHANCE TO THROW HER PAST IN HER FACE WHENEVER THEY GET INTO AN ARGUMENT

ChattiiCathii January 5, 2010 5:03 PM  

i can see a little of both sides but not really. knowing a person's line of work BEFORE you get involved & still choosing to move forward means you are willing to deal with or should be mature enough to. that is like a woman dating a drug dealer & knowing BEFOREHAND but pressing him to get out. you want the best for a person so its natural to feel that way but he made it ok in the beginning so he should be mature enough to handle it NOW.
**she shouldnt change herself to keep a relationship intact. he prob wouldnt give her the same courtesy**

WellDamn24 January 23, 2010 5:47 PM  

So, I have a friend who was picked up by a guy who, during their second phone conversaton, blatantly and deliberately insulted her.

We both wondered why and I surmised that it was because he was trying to get her head and basically dominate her. If she'd have laughed off his insult, he'd have known that she was a sucker to be had.

Same situation with a guy who wants to "save" a stripper. There is nothing wrong with stripping. If he wants her to quit working entirely so that he can take care of her needs, that's one thing. But its a head game to expect her to trade in fiscal independence and empowerment for less.

Natasha Vianna January 25, 2010 4:55 PM  

Interesting... I've wondered and although I am not a stripper, I work very hard for my money and I spend it on what I want. I can't imagine giving up my job for a man and relying on him. If I want to spend $1900 on a Dior bag, I can do that myself. I would hate for a man to have that financial control over me. It all depends on the people, I guess, but if I was a stripper, I don't think I'd stop. What happens if the relationship doesn't last? Then what?